If you have chosen the right person to work for, your contract will have some value and it will be honored. Well, not only the legal procedures but also cultural difficulties may turn your life to a hell. It is hard to make out if I am commenting on a obsolete long forgotten post. Plus defensive,considerably nationalist, little boring Turkish people. If you take lira, there should be more than enough. I would like to add something for your foreign readers for a better understanding of Turkey. What kind of visa do I need to do this?
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A teacher must have a very high level of Education on their chosen subject and very high social skills. Therefore, I must say that the comments above are very low as it looks more like individual experiences has been generalized for propaganda purposes. Hi Celina, Thanks for your comment however it has left me very confused.
I never said there was not foreign workers in Turkey. What I said is that if you want to work in a bar or restaurant for the summer, the possibility of you doing it legally is zilch.
Also I really do not see any of my commentators making up stories either. It is their personal experience and your post above is just saying the same as the main post and their comments, so you will have to be more specific as you say you are shocked but you agree with most of what has been said!
This is my second post today to ask you where my first post is??? My comment is written with a plain simple language avoiding any upsetting phrase, so why not putting it through??? Anyways not to worry: Nothing further than truth!!! The worst thing you can do to yourself is cheat oneself!!! Have you even met a Turkish woman? Still pictures are very cute taken in a small remote village specially prepared, however far from reality. Celina, Your first post is directly above your second post. Comments do not get automatically approved due to spammers.
I read your comment and approved it straight away. Re the pictures — Once again, you are going to have to explain that one to be as well. You do not make sense. However there is one question I like to ask to you.
What message does the sentence of yours below trying to give? For a country which has its own technology and industry the sentence above sounds odd. Success has nothing to do with nationality. It is same here in London. When it comes to false promises or disappointments, it is no different here. But still, what job can Joan do better than Selin? Or, what job can a Turk not do? In one other comment I have read a sentence about expired visa or work permit.
Failing to do so here in London will result in deportation and fine. When it comes to BRIBE, I believe every country has its own way to bribe, in different way in the different forms some are smartly planned some are carried out openly but the problem is there.
To be honest, your whole post did not make sense as you said you were shocked however then your message was along the same tones as what everyone else was saying. The message is that tourism in Turkey provides a lot of jobs for a lot of people in Turkey.
People from the east of Turkey will migrate to the west in the summer periods to look for jobs in bars and restaurants. Why should an English person looking to spend a summer in Turkey be given a bar or restaurant job over a Turkish citizen who needs that job to ensure that his family survives? Yes, industry has a lot to do with it because we are talking about the tourism industry and that in itself ensures that a lot of Turkish people have jobs.
You say that the job of a waitress or waiter is not considered as a permanent occupation and I would have to disagree. I know a lot of Turks who take the trade of being a waiter seriously. They studied at tourism school for it or were a komi for a number of years before being given the promotion as a waiter.
They study the English, German, Russian languages to death. So much so that they can even point out accents from regions within that country. Or what job can a Turk not do? This is such a strange statement as anyone can do a job depending on their skills and abilities. Whether they are better at that job, then someone else is another discussion in itself. This commenter never said it was the authorities fault.
When he was talking about the authorities fault, he was referring to the link that was posted regarding a gentlemen who did get deported. I read all seven parts of that mans story and I have to agree that it was the authorities fault. That man had the advice of lawyers as to whether he was working in Turkey legally and the lawyers along with his employers assured him and provided written documentation that he was not breaking the law.
He even checked with local government offices himself and they assured him that he was not breaking any rules. Eventually he got arrested and it all went to court and the lawyers incompetence along with his employers incompetence was ignored which resulted in his deportation.
You really have to read all seven parts of that mans story and then you will understand why the authorities were at fault on that occasion. Re Bribes, yes every country has bribing going off either in full view or behind the scenes. Totally agree with you on that one. Re widening its prospective and allowing foreigners to work. There are some instances when the government should and there are some instances when it should give its own citizens priority first.
The main focus of the post however and I think that you have missed this is that the system needs re hauling and more information needs to be readily available to foreigners. I know plenty of foreigners and their employers who have paid the authorities for working permits and it is dead money because the criteria and the application process is so ancient, complicated and has more holes in it then a cheese grater!!
The process needs to be streamlined and people need to be made aware of what industries they can take a job in as a foreigner and what industries they can not. I still do not get WHAT??? I believe you are playing with the words. Let me start with: At first you were pointing at foreign visitors who want to work in bars or restaurant during their short stay than you pointed at the complication of obtaining a work permit and the rest afterwards but, know you are turning all your words around sounding more positive about the country.
Even if you have seasonal work permit; it is not possible to get a job in starbucks for instance right from airport. Otherwise your sentence can be translated in many other ways negative by readers. However you gave me a rounded answer and blank meaning.
Working in bars and restaurants is not the only option Turks have, there is more than that. Once again your answer was totally in different direction than your message above. I know how Universities work in the country.
I know what subjects are being studied. Coming to the country as a tourist and going into a restaurant asking for a job as a waitress right from airport is not taken seriously in Turkey. A University graduate will be trained to managerial level automatically but a back packer will not be taken seriously within the field. In small family businesses: Family members will be trained to carry out the job to keep the profit in. I am totally backing up my words. It will be studied as part of hospitality but casually it will not be accepted as a profession.
Remind you serving, setting up tables, pleasing visitor or relatives; these are a part of their culture. Therefore being a waitress is not a big deal for them. Eventually, I just want people to know without any proper qualification you will not be able to get guaranteed job in any profession.
Coming from English speaking country is not good enough to practice any kind of occupation. If you underestimate the country because of misleading and false information, it is most likely your visit or experience will be disappointment just like in any other country in Europe. You must prepare yourself the same way you go to Germany to work, if you have the idea of going there to teach because you speak English and you have a few certificates from some College or education center like Pitman or ICS etc… than you are in very wrong way.
I am pretty tired of this subject my last words will be: I hope Authorities will be pleasing foreigners better by giving them up to date information and less confusion as you wish. There is no turn of words. My view is still the same as it was when I wrote the post and to back up my words, if rumours are to be believed there is going to be a massive crack down of illegal workers in all of the tourist resorts this summer.
Why do I need reminding as well that you can not obtain a work visa while being a tourist in the uk? The article I wrote above was to point out that all the main stream job sites who tell people it is possible to get seasonal work in Turkey are wrong. I am not speaking about England. I still do not understand what your issue is with my article. Please state directly what you think is wrong with the article.
Re being a waiter. My husband is a waiter and there is more to it than smiling. Simple things like knowing knife and forks positions. Which glass for which wine? Which side do you serve the plate from and which side do you take it away etc etc. Can I also remind you that this so called non profession as you state it, In the tourist resorts of Turkey requires the knowledge of at least two languages. This might not be the case in England but in Turkey, If you do not speak English, Russian, German etc as second language than you will not work in an establishment that caters for foreign people.
Re teaching — I know some English teachers that have been employed here with certificates so will also disagree with you on the last statement as well. While I agree with the opinions above that working in the lower end of the tourism sector as waiters and bartenders is not a viable path for foreigners, I disagree with several of your other statements.
Obtaining a work permit requires that you have a firm job offer from a Turkish firm or ahve an interest in a Turkish corporation. I have never had any terrible mountain of red tape to overcome. I renewed the permit in May and it cost TL. Never had to bribe any official for one either. I know some foreign owners who do not reside here at all, yet have residency and work permits due to the fact that they own a business.
Two of them do so without any Turkish partner at all. Turkey already grants work visas in a timely manner to qualified workers who have firm offers of employment. Turkey makes it much easier for Americans, Canadians, and EU citizens to work here than those countries do for Turks. Turks I work with in industry are very skilled, highly motivated, and have a far better work ethic than most people in more developed countries.
They can anything they want to do. If you want to work successfully in Turkey in an industry other than tourism, one that requires real skill sets, you must have an open mind, be willing to set aside the idea that you know better than they do, and have the ability to set aside your ego to learn from them.
The same is probably true where ever you go in the world. Most foreigners who fail or have a hard time here, do so because of their own attitudes and lack of real and honest openness. Thanks for your comments. Yes, as I stated in my post, you have to already have the job offer to apply for a working permit. Luckily, you and your employers have found the process to be quite easy.
If Turkish employers don;t understand the working permits rules and applications then how is a foreigner meant to understand them? As far as I know the people that you are talking of who do not have a Turkish partner have a different set up when it comes to the business and how it is legally registered by law.
What are their trades? From experience, I have seen and spoke to many people who have bought bars and restaurants and they have not been allowed to work in them.
Also I am not expecting an open door policy for foreigner workers. The whole post was written to dispel the myth that Turkey has an open door policy regarding foreign workers. What I am calling for is the process to be more streamlined and more information to be made readily available for foreigners who do want to work legally.
Even more so, when they apply for the permit, at least an answer of application denied! My experience is obviously different from yours but that makes neither me or you wrong. Also my statement that I do not want foreigners to take the jobs in bars or restaurants is not condescending. I am married to a Turkish man who works in a restaurant. That is our income, that is our livelihood. Also if you read my comments above, the job as a waiter is not a by-the-by job as you and another another commenter suggested.
My husband works extremely hard and studied the trade at tourism school. He has worked extremely hard to learn a second language so that the work possibilities open up for him. This trade is our life! For the record as well, I do think the Turks excel when it comes to keeping customers happy in the bar and restaurant trade. While I have not experienced bar and restaurant service in countries such as America or Australia or Canada.
I do think the Turks are better at the job than British people. I also have to disagree with your last statement. Some times, this information has been given to them by lawyers!!! There are foreign people who have followed the advice of a lawyer when buying property and they have lost their houses through no fault of their own. There are other people who have bought businesses, only to later discover that the information given to them was incorrect.
Luckily it has worked out for you and me, however it has not for so many other people. Should we not have a bit of compassion for them instead of putting ourselves on the moral high ground? I wanted to set-up a business consulting company in Turkey and the accountant recommended to me by HSBC in Turkey said if I set-up a company then I do not need a work permit. I checked at the British Consulate and they said I need a work permit even if I set-up a company.
Is it therefore a waste of time for me to set-up a company in Turkey? If so I guess the only option is wait until I have been in Turkey for 5 years and then apply for an independent work pemit. Any comments on whether what I am saying is right or not would be most welcomed.
I also wanted to comment on the discussion about working in Turkey. Firstly, it is certainly far more difficult for Turkish people to live and work in Europe than for us to work in Turkey. Even just to visit Europe as a tourist is difficult enough for Turkish people. Secondly, whether or not I can set-up a company and get a work permit for myself in Turkey, I feel very priveleged that as a foreigner we can just move to Turkey and automatically get a residence permit and live here.
This would be near impossible for Turks to do in Europe. We should thank Turkey for its openess to foreigners which is not reciprocated. Thirdly, I agree that it is perfectly reasonable to expect the Turkish government to protect jobs for the Turkish people. Governments worldwide do this. Fourthly, I agree that as individuals we have to be very cautious of the advice being given as I recently found out again after being stung before by incorrect legal advice.
Foreigners are so often taken advantage of. This is still a much pooer country than Western Europe and I guess has to be expected especially outside of the major cities. I would love to set-up a business consulting company in Turkey and get a work permit straight away, buy I understand that there are valid reasons why this may not be possible, and if not I will continue to enjoy living in Turkey, tread cautiously in anything involving money, and go overseas to generate the income I need to live here.
I would love to be able to help you however unfortunately my knowledge of setting up companies in Turkey is very limited. I often read a column by a gentlemen called Berk Cetir. Maybe he has written something that can help you. Alternatively, Chris who was a previous commenter mentioned that he knew people who had been through the process. Maybe he can shed a bit more light on what is the right procedure and what is the wrong procedure. Failing that, is there any Turkish lawyer firms operating in your home town?
You do not mention where you are from but I know in London there is a Turkish lawyer firm called London Legal international. One of the lawyers called Burcu Orhan has been spoken off highly by expats that I know. Coming across your blog accidentally this is my first read. I am puzzled by the pettiness, negativity and hostility from a few contributors.
On the other hand, many of the contributions are instructive and interesting. A range of individual opinions, experiences, and your measured responses are well worth reading. Of course, I too do not agree with all that you say. For instance, the corrosive cancer of corruption and bribery is certainly not a regular factor of life in all societies — contrary to a comment you seem to agree with.
Unfortunately, they are a part of everyday life in countries like Algeria, Morocco, Bolivia, etc. Surely the degree and acceptance of corruption in those countries is utterly incomparable with the situation in the UK or Australia?
Not ever being to Turkey, I cannot comment on that country. However, I appreciate the opportunity to learn, something your blog certainly provides. Thanks for your comment. The fact that many people can add their points of view to a blog is what makes blogging great I think.
With a number of contributions from different people all from different walks of life, one word article can be turned into quite an interesting read. Regarding bribery, I have to admit that I am also an avid conspiracy theorist and I do believe that even in countries like the Uk and Australia it still happens but they are better at covering it up.
The recent incident with police officer bribery and the News of the World newspaper is one such incident which has come unstuck for them though!
I hope you enjoy reading the rest of the blog. The last unemployment figures I saw for Turkey, was the April figures posted in July. But I think until the restrictions on Turkish people being able to work in the rest of Europe have eased up, the restrictions on foreigners working in Turkey will remain in place. Hi Natalie, I know you from turkish home sweet home, I have been reading all your bloggs with interest, it seems working and living in Turkey is an absolute minefield, I think it is just a pity that the UK dont have such policies such as the Turkish not giving work to foreingners that a Turkish person can do.
Charity begins at home so to speak, however, we would like to come and live permanently in Turkey, I think your advice about putting money into a high interest Turkish bank account is sound advice under the circumstances of the legal system to foreingn workers.
I totally agree with you that the turkish people are much better in the hospitaltiy sector than the english, from the experiences we have had both here in the UK and in Turkey. I agree also that the waiters and bar workers, work extremely hard and long hours, most restaurants they are so polite and extremely professional and are very mindful of the needs of the customers, the turkish people in my own experience are very kind and family orientated and will go out of their way to help others.
This may not be the case for other visitors from the UK but it is my experience. This is what drew us to Turkey in the first place and why we bought a house and why we keep coming back. I have enjoyed reading all the bloggs from yourself and from other commentors, I was very confused by the comments made by Celina, some of the things just did not make any sense to me.
Thank you though for all the helpful information it has been very interesting. Hi Carolyn, Long time no see. It must be about three years now. Thanks for following my blog and also adding your comments. We should try and catch up for a drink next time you are in Altinkum. Say hi to everyone for me. And I am not speaking of years past either. I am referring to just this year. An online course was apparently accepted and a working permit was granted — which shocked me because I had assumed at the very least, some class time would be required.
I am not sure where she got her information from but it seems pretty inaccurate from my experience. Or is a sweeping generality. Although I have met a lot of foreigners who have tried to live and work in the country illegally, I have met as many who have come to the country promised that they would receive the proper documentation by private course owners, only to wait and wait while working illegally, putting themselves at risk.
And when things do turn out badly, the legal option is usually out of the question due to the slow processing of the court system in Turkey. Most of them, of course, do not have those financial resources or the time to pursue their perfectly legitimate complaint. Or they would have grave doubts about how fair they would be treated in a Turkish court. To think that most problems that arise is the fault of the foreigner is fairly naive, in my opinion. Having said that, I do think the situation in Turkey is improving dramatically and it is becoming easier to work within the rules set out by the authorities.
The costs for example are coming do to a reasonable fee and feel much less like a shake-down. Still, your original article is sensible advice to anybody who wishes to come to Turkey with the idea that finding work will be without any potential risks or problems.
A few people have advised that this is not permissible for British ex pats and could result in deportation. If British people can rent out appartments or villas for profit here why is it so different from renting out a spare room. Can anybody throw light on this subject please your information and advice would be appreciated. Renting out a spare room is not illegal and you do not need a work permit for it.
If you do not pay the tax then you could be charged with tax avoidance, however there is a threshold of how much you can earn before you start paying tax and many British holiday makers do not even make that threshold. If you are in Altinkum, drop into the tax office as they used to have leaflets written in English that explain the tax procedure.
Hi Afaq, Even if you marry a Turkish person this still does not legally entitle you to work. You will have to wait three years for your Turkish citizenship to come through and then you can work legally. Before that period, you will need to gain a work permit.
Also until the citzenship comes through, you will need to stay in the country legally and this can be done by taking out a residents visa. I was hoping to ask some advice. My Partner and I are toying with spending a year or so in turkey before settling down. I have an opportunity to work remotely myself for a UK based firm.
Would we still need working visas as these are not Turkish jobs? We want to do everything above board regarding tax codes, residencies etc. No point living in paradise if you are looking over your shoulder every 5 minutes!! Thanks in advance, been struggling to find someone who can shed light in this particular instance. Hi Ash, Your situation is a very grey area in Turkey as the aspect of making money remotely is still a new concept.
Neither you or your partner would be eligible to apply for a working permit as your employers are not Turkish. In other cases, the person would need to gain a status of being self employed however both of you will be working for companies that are based in another country so you are not self employed.
If you want to check there is an excellent Turkish solicitor based in London called Burcu. Sorry I could not help you further. I would love some advice and insight into how you started. I visited turkey for the first time september this year and fell in love with the place. And I totally agree, can you call it working if you love what you do?
I have removed your email address so it does not get spammed however I have passed the whole message onto Aaron via email. Denika — My advice is to start applying to the holiday companies now for The holiday companies is one industry where you will get a work visa. So how can get the work permit in Turkey. Naeem, First of all you need to find a teaching job and then your employers will help you to apply for the work permit.
You can not do it without them as work permits are not given generally but for specific jobs. Hi natalie, just looking for a bit of advice. In the UK I am a hairdresser, I am aware that a Turk can easily do this job but I was wondering if maybe in a holiday resort I could find a hairdressing job in a salon that caters for English tourists?
I am also qualified to teach hairdressing, would this be of any help, eg a job teachin as English hairdressing training is one of the best in the world? Or could this qualification be of any use to me to teach English, as it is a qualification to teach?
Sorry for all the questions, any advice would be greatly appreciated. In a holiday resort, you would probably be able to find a job in a salon however the work permit probably would not come through.
To teach hairdressing, you would have to research some of the Turkish companies and approach them to find out whether they would be interested. I could not say whether there is a market for it, however it is worth a try. Another option would be to settle in a resort with a large ex-pat community and do mobile hairdressing. Technically off the books but you could build yourself up a good customer base that way.
For Turkish citizenship, you are allowed to apply for it after three years of marriage. If you apply for it on the basis of residency, this is five years. Once you get Turkish citizenship, you do not have to apply for a work permit as you automatically gain the right to work. No problems either if your partner is Kurdish. My husband is Kurdish and this never featured once or posed a problem in my application.
Hi I was recently employed by a british holiday company to work in turkey as a kids club rep. However my visa stated I was a tour representative. There was a spot check while I was there and I had to go to the police station and state that I did not work with children. Was I working illegally? Hi Nancy, your visa would not state that you are a tour rep. Only your working permit would so you were not working illegally but probably within the restrictions of the working permit, child care was maybe not allowed.
Hi Natalie I have read your posts with interest, as I am looking to move to Turkey in the next couple of years. My partner is Turkish, and runs his own bar. He is under the impression that once we get married we would do so as soon as I moved there , I would be able to work for him in his bar. Do you know if this is possible? Hi Hannah, Unfortunately getting married does not automatically entitle you to the same rights as a Turkish citizen either in the case of working legally or in the event that you get divorced within three years.
Three years after getting married, you will be entitled to apply for a kimlik which is your Turkish citizenship. Until you get that, you will still be treated as a foreigner and will need to apply for a residency permit and a working permit. After I married a Turk, I assumed that I would be working legally and it was a spot visit by the police that informed me otherwise.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks for your response. I know that I am not automatically entitled to work just because I am married to a Turk, but I thought different rules applied if was working for him — i. Is this not the case? Same rules apply even if you are just helping your husband out. You could say you are not receiving a wage for it.
TBH — If it was me, I would take the chance as if your future husband is a business owner, nine times out of ten, these things can be worked out because you will be his wife which gives greater weight to the situation. Interesting posts and views of Turkey! These posts only serves to demonise a group of people — in this case, Turkish people. Nat, I would have expected you to point this out on your blog as a point of credibility.
Nomad, your post placing doubt on the fairness of the Turkish judicial system is definitely baseless and uncalled for. Again, this is subjective and does nobody any favours, least of all the people who read this blog to get info on Turkey. I completely understand what Christopher is trying to say in his post: If you go to Turkey thinking otherwise, you will have a hard time adjusting.
So, listen to the people, try to learn their way of life and expect differences to what you are comfortable with in your home country. The sooner you can do this the smoother your transition will be into the normal Turkish way of life.
This is not something an average person is born or educated to do — this applies to Turkish people as well. I also do not feel the post is aimed at Turkish people. It is aimed at the Turkish system which has a lot of room for improvement. You mention that people should adjust to their new life in Turkey and I totally agree but Nomads example is not the only one that I have come across where an English person has tried to do their best to adjust and the Turkish system has let them down.
Whether this is working, buying property or the average red tape. Everyday people are still coming to this blog through searching bar jobs in Turkey on the internet.
I want them to know exactly what they are getting themselves into if they decide to pursue this dream. What should i do as a foriegner? First you need to find a company that will offer you a job. Once you have that then they should apply for your residency and work permit visa. Hi , i find this very interesting. I intend to study my Master degree in Turkey,can i find a job easily while going to school in Turkey to take care of my basic needs.
You can probably find a job easy enough however the key is whether you will be working legally. Turkey is really going to be clamping down on illegal workers this year and if caught you can face deportation. Is there any legal structure in place that I could use to blackmail the new management who probably do not know I have a work visa for their company in order to get paid?
If you had a work permit then I am assuming that you had a contract as well. I would take both to a solicitor and find out where you stand from there. Perhaps the solicitor could send them an official letter. Hi Aaron, it sounds dreamy! I am Turkish and have been living in the UK for the past 9 years. When you say your job involves online consultation, writing etc.. Yeliz — never be scared to go back to Turkey. You may find some response from Aaron if you head over to his website. Hoping someone can help me!!
I am looking at buying in to my turkish partners business in Istanbul. What kind of visa do I need to do this? I would prefer not to get a working visa as I do not plan on working there. I am shortly applying for a resident permit. Can I purchase a business on this permit without any problems?! Hi Jesska, If you do not plan on working the business then you should not need any visa at all.
You can also purchase on a residency visa. For legal advice I would suggest contacting Burcu at London Legal international. She specialises in business law in Turkey http: What s the best thing to do? Hi, Natalie, you have been answering most of the question raised by many … very successfully, and I hope you con answer me as well. I am looking for my placement in Turkey.
Hi Cele, AS stated in the post, you need to find a job first. Once you have that job, then you can apply for a residency visa and working permit. Uzaer, you need to find a teachers association to help you.
There are many that deal with foreign applicants. They will help you to gain a working permit and also a placement. Your blogs have been very informative. Will i only be able to get a job on campus? Also would it be difficult as an Afro-Caribbean female finding a job? Hi Kaycee — These are all things that you need to ask your scholarship leaders as they will have more experience. It is difficult for anyone to land a job though so you should ensure you have some savings set by as well.
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